now apple tv? i think they will come out with a tv product because that is something that tim cook said. they've got an intense interest in that area. but i think that's probably coming in the summer period at some point. i think we're going to have to wait a while for a low-end phone. so i look at all of that and in the near term, the biggest excitement quite honestly is hopefully they move the dividend up when they report the quarter. better cash return. but that's kind of what i'm looking for. if they don't do that, the stock could go quite a bit lower and there is some talk that maybe they don't do the dividend when they report the quarter. >> we'll see. or repurchase. when you say "quite a bit lower," dan, what's low enough? here you compare it to rimm and nokia is a little shocking. but ere's low enough given the prospects you're outlining? >> well, but here's the thing. right? why are you guessing as to what's low enough? until the fundamentals stop getting worse -- don't forget, this compan